Languages - haplogroup...

Languages ;;- haplogroup ...
Peter Zolin 2
Languages ;;- haplogroup ...

On the "kinship" has appeared an interesting option (by Dogon) determining the formation of several major languages, with the participation of carriers of specific haplogroups.

A. Klyosov supported version like this:
19/10/2009, 0:38. A very good start, as a working hypothesis. Only once it is clear that to call R "Indo" is not obtained. Why did not I? There can be no equalization. I would suggest a separate set R1a1, and write - Aryan languages, they also praindoevropeyskie.
R1b - Indo-European languages ;;have adopted (========== in a letter to AA noticed this and die: there is no evidence of the early descendants pratyurkizma R, where N is more suited: PZ) , kentumnaya branch, along with the I1/I2. »(end quote)

This version of the specialists of "kinship" are useful. Linguistics in the interests of its millennia-are increasingly drawn to the history of media haplogroups. But not only AA Klyosov and his colleagues make the mistake of gipertrofiruya formula (thesis), "one male haplogroup - one language".

It is clear that no development of "male language" will not, if men do not have children - and usually will be brought up by women (with many years of intensive linguistic communication). In the development of languages ;;accepted and involved at least some carriers of male and female haplogroup. etc. This is reflected in the table compiled by me.

Given the long-known dates (they can change quickly), in 5 cases (out of 20) of male carriers of the dominant (major, etc.) haplogroups older female carriers of the dominants. In 11 cases, dominant over women. Andamantsy, Ainu, "Babylon", Kartvelians, severokavkaztsy names (sometimes conditional, requiring explanation) are roughly equal in age of the dominant male and female. However, the development of language is preserved and the important role of non-dominant carriers (minor) haplogroups.

Of course, refinements are inevitable. But a trend of seniority of women in the formation of a number of languages, ethnic groups - most likely - will continue. And forever bury the thesis of "one male haplogroup - one language".

==== Beautiful and compelling basis for the findings to date has Academician AA Zaliznyak but clearly does not want to quarrel with the world elite.
"The fact is that, on the one hand, of course, seventy thousand years ago there were some physical ancestors of all of us present here. None of us are born different from both of their parents. And so it seventy thousand years. But on the other hand, the language in which these ancestors had said even if he is in a straight line of the ancient foundation of what later became the Russian language, was quite as much Russian as you would any more of fifty or a hundred, or hundred other languages. And it is absolutely clear that no such name could not be. "; etc.
He is the world's elite will never forgive.
Viacheslav. Vsevl. Ivanov is above the fray, in general, a sympathizing gaplogruppno-linguistic concepts. But too high a figure and the abstract in order to influence antislavyanskie consolidation in linguistics.;; 0211/007a/02110004.pdf; bibliografia-na-sajte/krivia-zolin-peetr etc.
I see a number of potential linguists are able to withstand antirusizmu. But before defending his doctoral dissertation, and they gained the rank of professor their names will not. Yes, and not the fact that they reached a formal tops, will defend the real depth Glottogonic slavyanstva.http: / /

Here and more.
Boris Dolgin: Tell us about trying to work with genetics and archeology

George Starostin: I have a pre-prepared answers to both questions. He shared, because I was asked this question in more online. So I quickly try to answer it. There is a ton of literature, which focuses on attempts to correlate the results of comparative linguistic data archeology and genetics. According to one Indo-European family life is not enough to enumerate all the literature written on these topics. Unfortunately, it is not all written at the appropriate level - and especially on that regrettable fact that the world is practically no people who would be equally qualified in the field of archeology and linguistics and genetics, and linguistics.

I, for example, poorly qualified as an archaeologist or a geneticist - and vice versa, when I read the work of archaeologists and geneticists, it is almost always when they begin to operate with linguistic concepts, I want to grab the head. You can give a detailed answer, as we try to correlate these data, but it is a course for 1-2 semesters. The short answer is that all this is in its infancy, because there is no hard and generally accepted criteria for the identification of linguistic data with archaeological and genetic, where the situation is compounded by the fact that data from all three areas of science change all the time and supplements. We can now build some reasonable correlative model, put it on a lot of time and then found a new archaeological layer, or even add a couple of genetic traits (======= add haplogroups or kits gaplotivov: PZ) by which they classify people - and the entire model will be frozen. I basically set up a very optimistic, and sooner or later, all three types of information are well correlated, but had not yet come a time when we could do it in earnest: more and linguists, geneticists and archaeologists, and pretty much have to work.

George Starostin: If the age of human language was 2 million years, which is highly unlikely, we would in any case not reduced, there would be no way means of comparative and historical linguistics to restore the language that existed 2 million years ago. We humbly hope that it might be possible to restore the language of 30-50 thousand years ago, but I must say that Sergey, despite the fact that he talked a lot about humanity and proto-language reasoning on this subject, is always very clearly identify certain agnosticism on about it, that is, he did not say never, that we have proved the existence of Proto-human, that all men, of course, spoke the same language and so on. In many respects it is still a matter of faith. If you ask me whether I believed in the existence of a common parent language, the language of Adam and Eve, I would say - yes, probably, I believe, but it has nothing to do with what I was told today.

Voice: Tell me, were there any cases in the study of languages ;;when detected language, which can not be attributed to any family? I read these things, but I suspect that they must be a duck.

George Starostin: No, it is not ducks. There are so-called language-isolates, which, if to a family treat once, very long ago broke away from her for a long time there by themselves, cooked in its own juice, and today their genetic identity is very difficult to install either or almost impossible. There are many examples in various parts of the world. For some languages, there is a fairly well supported hypothesis of their relationship within macrofamily. Basque in Spain, which is often considered an isolate - there is good evidence that he apparently still is in the Dene-Caucasian language family, the tree which still hangs on the screen. There are languages ;;whose genetic affiliation has even in the framework of macrofamily still quite indeterminate. Sumerian, for example, there are several competing hypotheses about what akin to the Sumerian, but none of them is better than another, and hence all are equally bad. In Africa, there are a number of languages, and in America quite a lot. Apparently, some of them can be divided into further work on individual branches of the common tree, but some may remain so forever and isolates.

"This situation with the change of language (========: PZ) is very natural for the ancient world, and even in many parts of the world today. For example, the population of the conquered country begins in a matter of urgency to learn the language of the conqueror, or Another, more tricky situation: migrate to any part of the continent some of the male population there began to interact with local people to marry girls from the local people, they take over with some inevitable mistakes language of their husbands, as well as language in the first turn is transmitted from mother, and their children begin to speak as they spoke. "

With the death of adult men, at all "bottleneck", etc. mostly it is women who preserve and develop the languages ;;of these languages ;;to nurture children throughout history. And the number of women in history, their haplogroups is essential.

================= This "haplogroup Klyosov" and others like it can not be aware of. And they are usually read by only yourself, loved ones, and only then, that their building zaviralnye confirmed.

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