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Runtu: the sceptic /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/703 / Not any pretense of being scholarly … the USA

Runtu: The sceptic. Not /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/703 / pretense of scholarly USA

Runtu: a simple / http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/454 / rule: no matter who does it. the USA

Runtu : a simple rule: I disapprove / http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/454 / of bad behavior's, no matter who does it.

Runtu:  I was still / http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/190  / shaky I drove in quite a while … the USA

Runtu: Chas in Cleveland … / http://proza.ru/2023/11/13/363  / : I see a couple of kids wasting two years of their lives : the USA

Photo :  Юри Мэттью Рюнтю: p. 1949 ( born 1949 : Russia}: Yuri Ryuntyu, Uri Runtu: Iouri Runtu: Washington DC : the USA

2023 автор / http://proza.ru/2006/04/14-339 / Рюнтю Юри 17 Лeт 2006-2023 на Проза. Pу / http://proza.ru/2023/11/02/800 / Англо - Франко и Pусско-язычный писатель и журналист : Юрий Рюнтю / Uri Runtu / Yuri Ryuntyu / Canberra ACT : Australia /  Media TV Radio /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/13/224  / 2023

2006 - 2024 / http://proza.ru/2023/10/30/1600 / Проза. ру - это Грандиозное и Единственное на планете Земля - Явление в Мировой Культурологии из России - / http://www.proza.ru/2013/05/10/1461 / Media TV Radio : 2024

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Этo учит : обуздывать ярость, если она вспыхивает

2006 © Photo : St.-Petersburg : Russia 2006 / http://proza.ru/2023/08/26/1174 /. Я - Юри Мэттью Рюнтю: p. 1949 ( born 1949 : Yuri Ryuntyu, Uri Runtu: Iouri Runtu: Canberra ACT Australia) и Сергей Некрасов: p.1947 ( born 1947 : Dr. Sergei Nekrasov : D.Sc., Ph.D. Moscow Russia). Mой кристально честный русский друг - Директор Всероссийского Музея А.С. Пушкина / b. Moscow 1799-1837 d. St.-Petersburg, Russia /, кто принял - ДАР - для Главного Музея России - " МИРОВОЕ ИНТЕЛЛЕКТУАЛЬНОЕ НАСЛЕДИЕ РУДОЛЬФА НУРЕЕВА : РОССИЯ - ХХ ВЕК ": DVD-1 и DVD-2: 1-35 books: 15 000 pages: 4 000 photos: St.-Petersburg, Russia / http://proza.ru/avtor/yuri2008 / 2006

About Runtu: writer in Russia: USA: Australia: journalist in Australia and Russia and France: educator: ballet critic in Australia and Russia: theatre critic in Australia : playwright in Australia and Russia:


2023 © 18+ : Все права принадлежат авторам, 2000-2023. Портал работает под эгидой Российского союза писателей. Интеллектуальная Элита Демократической России : 18+ Russia 2023.


2023 : Telegram : Runtu, Uri TikTok : Юри Рюнтю : " The general purpose of PROSE is to preserve language as it is spoken by the people. Language is the key to expressing civilization itself. The most complicated and mature language embodies the highest level of civilizations across time and history. It is how we view and remember events, a lingo to record the world around us. Here we stand for the history of Russian literature in Australia. This prose represents Australian citizens who still enjoy writing in the mother tongue of their Russian heritage. Anyway, this Russian-speaking literature belongs to Australian Modern Culture and flourishes equally alongside its Anglo-Saxon counterpart. The previous background of writers is pleasantly mixed with the new style of life they experience in Australia ". / http://www.proza.ru/diary/yuri2008/2020-01-11 / Iouri Runtu: French : Rudolf Noureev : La Mort a Paris / Юри Рюнтю : Russian / Uri Runtu: English Yuri Ryuntyu / Celebrities RU : the Neo-transcendental theatre : 2022.

‘ Back from the dead ’/ Denmark : Runtu Uri / Runtu / English : Ryuntyu Yuri / French : Iouri Runtu / Russian :  Рюнтю Юри / Australia Canberra ACT / Bolivia : Mormon Missionary: USA : Washington D.C. / the USA / USA / US

Runtu: Not much to tell. I’m now in my 70s, have way too many kids, and live in the Washington, DC, area. I write for a living, but unless you consider technical writing creative, this is the only creative writing I do. Recently, I published an article in The Human Prospect and a book chronicling my experiences as a Mormon missionary in Bolivia.

2023 : Telegram : Runtu, Uri TikTok : " Why do we need these? " - Rudolf Nureyev asked. "Because we need life experience from these people and only on the basis of life experience can we make predictions for the future without states self-destruction and international wars..." - he underlined. "I wish good luck for Russia, but I would like to know the true colure of the future for such a great civilization with over one thousand year’s historical record. Please remember..." - he said. "We have in Russia two-hundred-year-old theaters, two hundred and fifty years of ballet and music as well as a great and the most fascinating literature and poetry to be found in the world which is over five hundred years old. Think about and be proud to keep this tradition well and fruitful from the beginning to the end of such a fascinating cultural project. I wish you good luck and God be with you." This Rudolf Nureyev said to me in Armidale ( NSW : Australia ) on November 23, 1991 " / http://www.proza.ru/diary/yuri2008/2017-02-23 / Iouri Runtu: French : Rudolf Noureev : La Mort a Paris / Юри Рюнтю : Russian / Uri Runtu: English Yuri Ryuntyu / Celebrities RU : Hео-трансцендентальный театр : 2022.



Runtu: the sceptic /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/703 / Not any pretense of being scholarly … the USA

Runtu: The sceptic. Not /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/703 / pretense of scholarly USA

I finally picked up Grant Palmer’s an Insider’s View of Mormon Origins from the Provo library.

It’s been in print for six years, but I’ve never bothered with it for a couple of reasons.

First, when it came out, I was a believer, but more importantly, from what I had heard from several friends, both in and out of the church, it didn’t offer much more than a summary of what I already knew.

But I figured at this point I ought to read it, particularly since it’s been such an object of ridicule among some apologists; BYU professor and MA&D fixture Bill Hamblin recently remarked of the book, “If that’s the best you can do, I rest my case. (“Golden Pot” indeed!).”

The book does not make any pretense of being scholarly.

Rather, Palmer says that his purpose is to “introduce church members who have not followed the developments in church history for the last thirty years to issues that are central to the topic of Mormon origins.”

And for the most part, Palmer’s book does just that: he surveys much of the research that has been done among critics and apologists over the last thirty years or so and presents the material well for the novice reader.

Not surprisingly, he finds the critics on surer ground.

The first chapter methodically covers each of Joseph Smith’s alleged attempts to translate, and Palmer seems almost disappointed to report that Smith failed in every case. He does a good job of explaining both the context and source materials for such varied projects as the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible (JST), the Book of Abraham, and the Kinderhook plates:

“My conclusion is that a large body of evidence demonstrates that Joseph mistranslated a number of documents.”

Oddly enough, Palmer still finds value in Smith’s writings “on a spiritual level” (p. 36), though he does not see them as authentic translations of real records.

The next chapter discusses Joseph Smith as author of the Book of Mormon. Here he discusses Joseph’s education and intellect, and his wholesale lifting of Bible passages (particularly New Testament passages) and recasting them as Nephite revelation.

Seeing the source material side by side with the Book of Mormon makes it difficult not to see the borrowing, intentional or not. Palmer then discusses the cultural mythology of Joseph’s contemporaries and includes B.H. Roberts’ conclusions that the Book of Mormon is the product of a nineteenth-century mind.

The third chapter discusses the Bible in the Book of Mormon (Palmer’s organization is a little haphazard). Again, he shows obvious borrowings from the Bible.

The next chapter is quite interesting in that it discusses late Protestant conversion patterns, how they show up in nineteenth-century camp revivals and in the Book of Mormon.

The similarities are obvious.

Palmer also shows how contemporary religious issues (the tension between Universalists and Restorationists) appear in the Book of Mormon, as well as the idea that the Holy Ghost reveals truth through feelings.

The wheels come off Palmer’s thesis somewhat in his covering of the “Golden Pot,” a German short story that, as Palmer shows, does have some parallels to Joseph Smith’s story of finding the golden plates.

Palmer makes a rather strained case that an itinerant magician in Joseph’s neighborhood may have acquainted him with the story. But the parallels seem forced and unimportant, and the chapter detracts from what has so far been a solid recitation of Mormon sources.

It’s no accident that it’s this chapter that the apologists prefer to focus on in their derision. In truth, Palmer has given them some ammunition here.

Palmer’s discussion of the eleven witnesses is thorough and damning.

These were men who believed in “second sight,” or the ability to see things with the spiritual eye, not the physical.

 Apologists such as Daniel Peterson have long puzzled me in their insistence that I take the witnesses and their statements seriously. But as Palmer puts it, modern believers “tend to read into their testimonies a rationalist perspective rather than a nineteenth-century magical mindset” (p. 175).

 These were people who believed in ghosts and talking toads, divining rods and peep stones. And he does a good job of showing that nearly all the witnesses spoke of their having seen the plates through this second sight, their “spiritual eyes.”

The last two chapters deal similarly with the restoration of the priesthood and the First Vision.

We find in both cases that the Sunday School version of events does not hold up under scrutiny. Of course, I already knew that.

So, my friend was right: other than the Golden Pot story, Palmer’s book told me nothing that I didn’t already know.
 
But then as an introduction to the novice, Palmer’s book is a good place to start.

For the sceptic, Palmer lays out the problems in a straightforward and easy-to-read way; for the believer, he provides copious footnotes that, if followed, will give the reader a good cross-section of current scholarship.

In the end, Palmer remains to me more of an enigma than Joseph Smith is.
 
After essentially debunking most of Mormonism’s foundational claims, Palmer still says:

 “I cherish Joseph Smith’s teachings on many topics” (p. 261).

From what I know, many people who have read Palmer’s book can no longer say that.


Runtu: the sceptic /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/703 / Not any pretense of being scholarly … the USA

Runtu: The sceptic. Not /  http://proza.ru/2023/11/14/703 / pretense of scholarly USA


Stanford University Library Bio автор Рюнтю Юри

Рюнтю Юри: литературный дневник

2023 - / http://proza.ru/diary/yuri2008/2023-11-13 / - Iouri Runtu: French / Юри Рюнтю : Russian / Uri Runtu: English : Yuri Ryuntyu / Canberra ACT Australia / Celebrities RU
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National / http://proza.ru/diary/yuri2008/2023-11-13 / Library of Australia : 100 Books by Uri Runtu / http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog?q=Ryuntyu / 1995-2023
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NLA Canberra Australia / http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/36715538 / 2000-2023 / http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34694657 / 1993-2023
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2008 - 2023 : Runtu Uri : Who is who : Uri Runtu family in Australia Canberra ACT / http://proza.ru/diary/yuri2008/2023-11-15 / Runtu New Material Project and Runtu Thermal Power Project : 2008 - 2023

In 2006, Runtu was identified as key hi-tech enterprise of China: France : Italy : Denmark : Finland : Sweden : Australia : UK : Canada : USA 2023

Runtu ranks the 13th on top 500 China's Big Group Competitiveness announced by National Bureau of Statistics and ranks the 1st on top 10 enterprise of independent innovation ability industry of national big-medium-scale industrial enterprise decided by National Bureau of Statistics.

Runtu announced its public listing on July 6 of 2010 in Shenzhen Stock Exchange. (Security code is 002440):  Runtu : Germany Yorkshire Group.


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In 2011,this action has help Runtu extending its chain of strategic industries; the acquisition of Germany Yorkshire Group has laid a solid foundation for Runtu to implement its "going out" strategy.
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